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Current ssjbkk Goku and the rest of Super
Topic Started: Apr 22 2017, 11:03 PM (3,995 Views)
Griffzilla
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I know the power scaling is weird in Super but I'm curious as to see what you guys think about the current most powerful form of Goku. Do you guys think he could one shot his BoG arc and/or RoF arc counterparts? Golden Freeza? Etc.
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He'd one-shot his RoF counterpart, RoF Vegeta, and Golden Freeza at the same time without Kaioken. He trained with Vegeta for three years in the RoSaT so who knows what kind of gains they made there. Then Vegeta got a massive boost during his RoSaT trip in the Black arc, yet somehow Goku is still treated as at least being his equal.
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Hasn't their been about year between the the RF saga and the goku black saga? I think ssjb goku could at the very least easily beat RF ssjb goku, let alone ssjg
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Without Kaioken? Absolutely not. Goku isn't even stronger than Golden Freeza.

SSJG Goku was 60% of Beerus, and current Goku still isn't as strong as Beerus in his SSB form.

Considering the fact that Kaioken Goku wasn't one shotting Hit even with a x10, there isn't going to be much one shotting going on here.

Current Goku would lose to Kaioken Goku from previous arcs+any one other relevant power.
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SSG Goku wasn't 60% of Beerus, that was a statement that Toriyama made in relation to the Battle of Gods movie, which is an entirely separate entity to Super.
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No distinction was ever made in that manner on an official level. SSJG Goku is stated to be 60% of Beerus, period.
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Apr 23 2017, 12:32 AM
No distinction was ever made in that manner on an official level. SSJG Goku is stated to be 60% of Beerus, period.
I guess Whis was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa~aaaaaaaaaay too high when he made that comparison between Goku/Vegeta and Beerus on Beerus' planet then, 'cause if they're, say, a 7/8 to his 10, then the gap isn't large at all, and a mere Kaioken x2 would put SSB Goku at a level where he could basically fight evenly with Whis. Is that what the show itself tells us?
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Current Goku would stomp everybody from the previous sagas besides the Gods and Merged Zamasu. It's not even a comparison.
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Vegeta forced Beerus to use 10%, so I personally see no problem with Super Saiyan God forcing 70% when it's stated to be 60% of Beerus. The show tells up that Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta are much weaker than Beerus. I don't even have them at 80% of his strength by the Tournament of Power.

The story does show us Beerus being scared of Kaioken x2 with Whis calling him out on it, Champa being scared of Goku+Hit and Kaioken x2 Goku overpowering Merged Zamasu whom was stated to be beyond the Gods. So in other words, Goku already overpowered someone stronger than Beerus with Kaioken x2. Being stronger than Beerus with an amped technique isn't really surpassing him though, just like Goku didn't surpass Merged Zamasu.
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No way Goku is 60% of Beerus.

So does current Goku one shot all previous incarnations of himself? I get that he's much stronger than before but could he just pop off everyone with a casual ki blast? A mid power khh or does he need to go full power with his khh?
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Goku would crush all of these guys. I don't know if he'd one shot them, but it wouldn't be close.

Kaioshin is hesitant to question if Blue Vegetto is even stronger than Beerus, so to say BoG arc SSG Goku is 60% of Beerus is completely disingenuous, especially considering Whis outright says Beerus was lying about his power.
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Apr 23 2017, 12:47 AM
Vegeta forced Beerus to use 10%, so I personally see no problem with Super Saiyan God forcing 70%. The show tells up that Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta are much weaker than Beerus. I don't even have them at 80% of his strength by the Tournament of Power.

The story does show us Beerus being scared of Kaioken x2 with Whis calling him out on it, Champa being scared of Goku+Hit and Kaioken x2 Goku overpowering Merged Zamasu whom was stated to be beyond the Gods. So in other words, Goku already overpowered someone stronger than Beerus with Kaioken x2. Being stronger than Beerus with an amped technique isn't really surpassing him though, just like Goku didn't surpass Merged Zamasu.
Out of curiosity, what do you make of Hit and Goku's second fight? Goku was able to keep up with a serious Hit who was fighting with the intention of killing him, after the fact that Hit had already adapted to Kaioken x10 SSB (U6 Tournament)'s power.

As for the OP, any un-amped Ki blast should do the trick at this point.
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Hit is closer to SSB than before power wise but he's still weaker. He has better techniques like his intangibility and access to his killing moves. I don't see what's so special about that fight.
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Yu Narukami
Apr 23 2017, 12:50 AM
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Apr 23 2017, 12:47 AM
Vegeta forced Beerus to use 10%, so I personally see no problem with Super Saiyan God forcing 70%. The show tells up that Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta are much weaker than Beerus. I don't even have them at 80% of his strength by the Tournament of Power.

The story does show us Beerus being scared of Kaioken x2 with Whis calling him out on it, Champa being scared of Goku+Hit and Kaioken x2 Goku overpowering Merged Zamasu whom was stated to be beyond the Gods. So in other words, Goku already overpowered someone stronger than Beerus with Kaioken x2. Being stronger than Beerus with an amped technique isn't really surpassing him though, just like Goku didn't surpass Merged Zamasu.
Out of curiosity, what do you make of Hit and Goku's second fight? Goku was able to keep up with a serious Hit who was fighting with the intention of killing him, after the fact that Hit had already adapted to Kaioken x10 SSB (U6 Tournament)'s power.

As for the OP, any un-amped Ki blast should do the trick at this point.
I think it's easier to admit there was some retconnig concerning characters' powers after the BoG arc than to try to make statements fit.
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How was Hit able to keep up and not be utterly annihilated by Kaioken x10 SSB Goku if he wasn't at least near him power-wise? He actually took the Kamehameha and was pushing it back pretty well.

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